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a non done should be used in an offensive way. that's how did you facing realities you're running? mean, what does he bring to the table? hard from being presidential? could we go to some we cannot take the fact that he was signing up, present as not that important factor. he had the story on talk to how does era accommodations to south africa. the 1st parliament recession is held off to an election, which changed the political landscape b i n. c's being forced to share power for the 1st time. how will the alliance with former opponents, what was lies ahead? this is inside store the hello and welcome to the show. i'm sammy's a. then the african national congress is galvan south africa since the end of

apartheid, the 1994. but the policy of nelson mandela lost its sweeping majority last month's general election. it's now being forced to share power with political opponents off the days of co creation tools. so what challenges lie ahead to make this new partnership work and with anything change the south africans will bring in on guessing the moment. but 1st, this report from laura on mon. h was crunch time to south africa's precedent serial on the poster. as paula mintz convened on friday, he'd finalize the toyota film, accomplish, and government often days of tools. his african national congress has been the most popular policy for 3 decades. it still is bolts for the 1st time, lost its outright to majority in last month's general election must not dialogue that should lead to a social combat during the major challenges, unemployment in equality, poverty facing south africa,

the cape towns convention center has been preparing for the 1st, the thing with a full 100 net, but national assembly bought for from the political elite, is in, townships like book like the sort to change the ballot skulks. there's no infrastructure. there's no to the electricity is cut off. and the liking the low to the night south africa has been struggling with the sluggish economy and has one of the highest unemployment rates in the world. many in the township sol, hope and former president jacob soon was new policy known as m k. it's game 58 seats, but zoom said he would fully caught the 1st poem at recessing, claiming the votes with rick president robert post had given an open invitation for all parties to join the coalition zullie nationalist in top of freedom policy with

one of the 1st join, we wouldn't participate in the governmental condition of unity for the sake of our country. and for the sake of our port center, right? democratic alliance game, the 2nd highest number of seats, bonds, the phone. if you cannot make freedom fly to said it would not join the coalition with the da, we reject this government with able to think it deserves for as long as it points in white supremacist. it points in i've done that a don't. it's now going to be a big job to bridge the ideological gap between the coalition policies. i'm deal with white so many in the country lost confidence in the a and c, nor homes inside story. i'll just share of what i was bringing, i guess now that old joining us from south africa, we haven't johannesburg, pauline backs africa program,

deputy director of the international crisis group in pretoria, lockheed my table a c o of the sink foundation. and then get back in the east and cape provence, on gum and tim lecture and political analyst at nelson mandela university. well, welcome to all if i could stop then with pauline. so 1st of all, how much of a seismic shift is this pauline? what we've seen in, in friday's parliamentary session with, for the 1st time, one policy does not have. and that will allow me majority. yes, absolutely. is the democracy. i would like to know the size of a government just nationally used before actually between 19941997. well, so the guy from the party was tired of the dogs. and what we're looking at today is accomplishing does not mean there's a coalition into the government nationally. you can see and it has the partridge

now and some smaller parties may join. so very interesting to see how that's gonna work out something foley and it's a bit different from 1994 because of the number of seats the amc has this time. right? yeah, absolutely. of course use. now, as the expires, you will become team as drop down to 40 percent. so if i share the positions with the numbers and our team members, so it is much more unique as it has been in us. and it will, we subdivision of our so say no power. so c and d, c. parties, all the tools are comfortable. so this set up receive today august, hope that the musical partners will be more comfortable in the future. let me take it to on gamma and i'll ask this question, how much of a shock to the system? is it that the election of a president in the 1st,

the session of parliament off the and the election is no longer entirely purely just a full mouth that see, it is a big shot. so it has taken 2 weeks to determine whether the can be a successful election of in the amc president. remember, the issue says buttons to manage all position parties that are coming together and i've had to find each other in order to guarantee that when they walk into the mission of assembly today, they would like to speak. and they will be elected president as well as a deputy speaker, who can be able to return to, to, to cause a new part for the country. it's taking a lot because you both intend to be within the amc, the whole position for this move. because remember, i do logically, it's

a plus choice, that's 6 miles a same divide shift for the agency. whereas the agency says, because they've got it and says a discipline false often that mostly with a sense has the policy sent on f, these to policy out. so that we're able only this morning by the way, to have both the main opposition or let me say yes, maine, or position the democratic lives confirming that today's announcement with the n c . and the amc, much later confirming that they've got this agreement. it shows you how much of a saw a shop through the system. it was and out difficult to blast to actually have these boldly accept that this is the way forward that they want to present it to the country. okay, let me bring in lucky and of course we're talking now and recording this as pile them in is meeting but won't do make. so file of house move lead the process of day one is going choosing the president choosing the speaker,

the deputy speaker. there was some concerned about whether details deals will be flashed out in time. what do you make of it so far? think to look at the, the instrument type to i see mentioned in south africa. it's a consensus of the establishment of south africa hasn't been establishment now, and we should never return to the country, as most publishers doesn't establishment that is developed. and that this publish mode is split the inside of interest to you to have those dr. today's going to form a couple of men, then thought about that position themselves as in the bottom interest to them. so why does the entire process been able to, to move on to the site and go the next level unit. and i want to make it clear this government of elections. i mean, it is not the same as the one that had, but the mentor mentor,

i'm back now. some of the zillow was hoping to gain could buy it. and i could have made just to give that prompt intrusion in the solution of a bank. and by doing so, the application to do the best number to i know you got all the cation doesn't mention that it didn't cause obligation, but political parties to get into the bus and value need to continue competing for the color of the tiny bit of the woman is the most pain waitress hall and amc has so much on the board, which is for the most part that comes up, the thing is printed to present the lancer's been printed packaging combined. but this is the time of pushing the visions, the time overloading my learning to pause to be headed by loudly. well, i want to get into the quote room issues and the, and k, and i'm in a moment, but before, oh, i can see on demo wants to come in. i'll let you have

a quick come in on this one on gum. yeah, so the opponent, too excited to say move in to the big coordination is because is different. the country was on a nice edge. if you like, when there was 2 big blocks that had come, pay me to central office after the election because i'd love to get a blog that styles. it says, but it's the kind of left is the blog. but that is truly been in power for the longest time of the democratic good and business function on its own. now it's actually coming across as though it is a leftist blogs and deduction goes to what the to fee is. as a black, as a domain into the back black country ways with the about the democratic alliance could just, you know, be anti black comments policy i'll group. but these action be, as we can see from the evidence of the policies that have been put,

todd from these parties, none of them has actually stuck with that policy. i'll look at, at least as far as the agreement that pc is concerned. so right, so, so, so, so, but it does have to choose between i that's an impression of potential good god, nets and improve in the state capture and quite motion that's done. says that styles and so as not to kind of depend on the time it takes, all right, we'll go go, we'll also get him to policy issues and what it means to the country in the moment . but i want to take a step back before we go that fall and take the question to pauline. what does today's session? what does 5 a session say about constitutional change? the constitution, the system itself, the ability of the amc to respect the constitution and transition have all being tested and all past the rest of today. but

my interpretation of what time today's the so it's very south of democracy, the calls the ac, wanting to uphold the constitution. and it's very a g i c, which is how much does it cost you to so party in a sense anyhow? so most of my work will teach today should say things i'm not showing up and continue to is, is just for the license were raised. i expect to spend squire. so when i started and they refused to happen before the end sheets have been able to put together, it has gone just national unity in 2 weeks. have spoken with all the parties in questions including the k has to be. so you just reset them everybody and they haven't boxed you come to the premiums, which until today, nobody knew what was going to be. so if it's extraordinary, she is or tomorrow, and a sense of unity as desirable praise was reflections. are talking to the front of

me recently. mm hm. all right, let me uh, take the question. so lucky. the pulling mentioned the m k policies position, well they've failed to the rail friday session. is this the end of it? or do they still have the potential to try and disrupt further? we're going forward. what c will take on that? and the mess know, just got the n k by the mission and that's the purpose because nothing from the binding of the restitution. the trustees and the election to this house is not what do you want to upset? so the testing by level coverage because as we speak them all, then participated in the big the shuttle aspect. so aspect of the constitution in the country. i have not seen them before about the position themselves. isn't having kind of argument to be more opposed to their constitution

contributor and see something called additional on the also the call this model of the political order, because political have 2 minutes, i'm still good to go to come to the so i just wanted to clear the should not present in case manifest, i'm to quote the additional, the truth not to do ever been delivered, interposed, okay, good, good point. last, they advocated then the, me and the you didn't use the majority, but i sense of the wants to have that statement done. and for me to say, i cannot amended goods intrusion unless i have the majority deductibles, which, which is a good while. and that is the highest spend, patricia, all right. and so putting a bit of the question of the spotlight more on the political process going forward and precisely on that point and gamma. what is today's session on friday?

so she's telling us about how different the process of ruling a country is going to be going forward compared to what we've been used to in the past. the 2 things about that. so enough, because a dominant parties is deemed in terms of which, if you wanted to decide to publish the direction of government programs on the one party was important. and also, you know, and to coincide with the consultation processes that, that we seen. it says the budget member, the aids is a type of tied to lines made up of the amc or the santa alice center left because of of trade unions as well as the a c h at the south african communist party. now you've added a pro market party in got back so he's going to make things a little different. god, as far as thinking about policy and programs are concerned just on the end of what we mentioned, the government us on last week i signed into law a be left for the nation on health insurance and the democratic alliance bucks. and

now we partner with government in the process, ted swan, to take that code process and change it in court and but as a oh, so what does that mean? what does that mean and got a co, should we expect more deadlock with the decision making process much more delicate? well, the, the a and e amc. they've been opponents for so long. there are on different an ideological and so different ends of the audiological scale, right? what are we going to see now with these the, to the is the, the location of that difference outside of the nation of a family, to pa, to pointed to kind of process is that going to be a complex process is outside of the assembly also, because you've got these a, you know, this left allies of the agency also have to play a role in decision making. but i think what we must have on the estimate is the potential to build things to intrusions of the state. so difficult was involved in

what you would call and i've been going to construct societies, both conflict with construction and state building. and there was an onslaught on states institutions be the prosecutorial, or in fact as being institutions of government, which way you know, which would've made it to be an effective by creation of side to institutions. so i think that before that the full for that aspect states is going to be both died and it's not going to have that internal position that was holding it back comes to building comfortable institutions. if we are to take the democratic lives in good faith as far as the outcome intended to be able to institutions this concept. maybe we should ask the question, take a slight step back and ask lucky and have all the details really being worked out for a government of national unity. how. how do you see the orientation of this government

going forward or other still question marks? i think if you, if we want to separate the princes moving away before this issue of the government, the next metal unit came on the so leslie bush, it didn't work read called the tech shooters and sometimes the parents. we did some supplemental appearances where the prints and then the last of the day, the p, the side in case we had to do a cooperation of what else to where all that. and the, i could have been above the confidence in supply. we just looked up the size that there was the was a good back, the post bread. look the best interest state where we have something called the demand kindly except the government,

the 2 will be as follows. for as long as this, it was in the policy to be probably probably in the mid 15 plus the charter a know, got the coming to do with the confidence of sup. uh, that is the do do that. i repeat the bill for the to the x. the amc is putting in bottom line is the one that i came with. so the, the, the, the, the dimensions i go into the head brittany limit is legislations. but they will also be in the open positions to bring what they call them. that's beautiful. what brought? so what is the balance that the kids are just getting into that i and the 21994 and brittany brittany fall, there was a good idea. let's go through spectrum now before the one to enter punched

intrusion. and what is the old printer that's pretty good representation in the past? that is what is going to build new wireless use. and the going to be, i to let you go and, and we mind here the next the lecture arrived at the original effective. and the amc magnet, exactly at the level starts in my little conversion in the next election. pauline is based, the government i'm just digesting now want lucky was saying. and i'm wondering, given what he was saying, is this really a government of national unity or simply a multi policy coalition arrangement, a marriage of convenience and the color is just to solve. so there's a marriage of convenience and we can solve the differences, but it's also the economy to a large extent that has large stadium company. but if you said tomorrow economy,

uh, of course the centrist is much low. so the price is my whole concern is how much the pro business if you will, but the ac is not, i'm sorry, business and the agree or there's my assumption that they need to push for the gross. the economy has really been those that are not the case or so as a or service or of course the steps need to be taken to the car to be calling from the find to use. the other issue such as for the policy, the kind of thing i would expect that the da has more than the full in order to accept the score this 0 unity government, which is

a i'm glad i like how you segue those into talking about actual policy implications of this new government on gamma. what should we expect from this coalition, which is emerging in the 1st session in parliament on friday when it comes to key things like corruption, wealth distribution, the provision of basic services, unemployment and so on. so i'm going to say what i'm gonna say of bearing in mind that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts. absolutely. and the, the, the if you look at the west and cape and you compare it with the last of south africa as far as clean governance into the end of the pods. from the auditor janera, the west in cape, which is being governed by the democratic alliance, has been among the best performing municipalities and of the provincial government departments when it comes to accountability and transparency. and then also that

has been less around the pulse of corruption, even the wisdom came come back to the rest of the country. now helps things to kind of, to do think that the a for example, will be able to move ahead on its promise on things like establishing a new chapter 9 institution to come back corruption and so on. so the n c was already on a trajectory off, or he building the prosecutorial aspects of law enforcement in south africa. and i think that and the mutual commitment without being held back by a fiction inside the amc that was opposed to some of these because of the fact that they go right to saw by the leader is going to be both aware of for their full full size, i forgot to say that going to be without it's all for the kids. all right, we've got about a couple of minutes left and i want to try and squeeze in a question to lucky and ask this one until i get

a lot about domestic issues. what about foreign policy? it was well known, of course, the amc has a history of alliances and strong relationships with groups all around the world and forces left this force as seen as antique colonialist forces. very strong relations installed to south africa took on the v. i n c on the palestinian issue is any of that going to change will be impacted by this new coalition that somebody searching a says do since i didn't with that to yesterday. the 2nd time and treatment i look the is the has made it. yeah. you also, i think you're set the see, we're not up under his publish. another 1000 is not going to abandon his place and then have us back. but what the, what the weather should know is that this is position of the cars that have to pay this time. well, extra, an interesting of, it's mentioned that it didn't because of the dates, which mode is constitutional. all the books additional, all the of the have see,

it says i want the whole country and got all the grades. thanks. i bought all the goals, including the association of the law. so the cleaning of the children, and in casa and everything. it says something about the amount as well. so there is model softball game, for example, the processing period under based on the relationship with vio. but the supporting in on the, this is of the big since august, the free time i put into is divided into those. right. which is yeah. so that, that will look change even to give the credit to pushes dot digital, the reply at the end of the functionality in terms of the battery goods. what should be the one by the attrition of the go. and there's no way where does brayden the i q at case that i to live

a position to the killing of children of people. and i guess the pause that is not going to check on that to happen, right. okay. a final one. the polling, does this mean listening to walk out of the guest on the show saying the amc. so gonna cool a lot of the shots, of course because it's still the whole city is still the biggest part in the countries. um and uh, you know, the lessons were uh, wait a whole sort of sense and, and this results we have today with the goal is not showing you the uh, shows to me. and she wants to sort of dimensions of amenities, ways to solve. instead of, you know, getting more serious about 5 different options, imposing collins as governments vectors. so i mean like crucial or folios like form policy, i'm pretty sure that the ac will retain this. i don't think there will be all

positions for the d a. a finance is important for j. c. it has rated finance biggest as old people at the same place. and then in the a much i will have to show that they can actually go nationally. you know, just in worst case might be likely to look forward for you. so i have a slide for showing up as a physical this victory, which is visual is governance barrier to see the agent actually this is all right, 5 router. so i'm going to have to think a guess though, for an excellent discussion. thanks very much to pulling backs. lucky my table and on gum a tim, and thank you for watching it and see the show again. any time by visiting our website, alj a 0 dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash i j inside story. can also join the conversation on x. how,

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